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Saturday 24 November 2012

Response to Zionazi propaganda

Someone called Arun Chandra sent this mail forward that reached me. I think you ought to read it first:

Some may say that the Israeli action at Gaza is wrong
but here it is ....

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000
 
 ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.
 
 They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
 
 Literature:
 
 1988 - Najib Mahfooz
 
 Peace:
 
 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
 1994 - Yaser Arafat:
 1990 - Elias James Corey
 1999 - Ahmed Zewai
 
 Economics: (zero)
 
 Physics: (zero)
 
 Medicine:
 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
 1998 - Ferid Mourad
 
 TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
 
 __________________________________________________________
 
 The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 FOURTEEN
 MILLION
 
 Or about 0.02% of the world's population.
 
 They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
 
 Literature:
 
 1910 - Paul Heyse
 1927 - Henri Bergson
 1958 - Boris Pasternak
 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
 1966 - Nelly Sachs
 1976 - Saul Bellow
 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
 1981 - Elias Canetti
 1987 - Joseph Brodsky
 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
 
 Peace:
 
 1911 - Alfred Fried
 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
 1968 - Rene Cassin
 1973 - Henry Kissinger
 1978 - Menachem Begin
 1986 - Elie Wiesel
 1! 994 - Shimon Peres
 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
 
 Physics:
 
 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
 1906 - Henri Moissan
 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
 1910 - Otto Wallach
 1915 - Richard Willstaetter
 1918 - Fritz Haber
 1921 - Albert Einstein
 1922 - Niels Bohr
 1925 - James Franck
 1925 - Gustav Hertz
 1943 - Gustav Stern
 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
 1952 - Felix Bloch
 1954 - Max Born
 1958 - Igor Tamm
 1959 - Emilio Segre
 1960 - Donald A. Glaser
 1961 - Robert Hofstadter
 1961 - Melvin Calvin
 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
 1965 - Julian Schwinger
 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
 1971 - Dennis Gabor
 1972 - William Howard Stein
 1973 - Brian David Josephson
 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
 1976 - Bu! rton Richter
 1977 - Ilya Prigogine
 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
 1978 - Peter L Kapitza
 1979 - Stephen Weinberg
 1979 - Sheldon Glashow
 1979 - Herbert Charle S Brown
 1980 - Paul Berg
 1980 - Walter Gilbert
 1981 - Roald Hoffmann
 1982 - Aaron Klug
 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
 1985 - Jerome Karle
 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
 1988 - Robert Huber
 1988 - Leon Lederman
 1988 - Melvin Schwartz
 1988 - Jack Steinberger
 1989 - Sidney Altman
 1990 - Jerome Friedman
 1992 - Rudolph Marcus
 1995 - Martin Perl
 2000 - Alan J. Heeger
 
 Economics:
 
 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
 1971 - Simon Kuznets
 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
 1976 - Milton Friedman
 1978 - Herbert A. Simon
 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
 1985 - Franco Modigliani
 1987 - Robert M. Solow
 1990 - Harry Markowitz
 1990 - Merton Miller
 1992 - Gary Becker
 1993 - Robert Fogel
 
 Medicine:
 
 1908 ! - Eli e Metchnikoff
 1908 - Paul Erlich
 1914 - Robert Barany
 1922 - Otto Meyerhof
 1930 - Karl Landsteiner
 1931 - Otto Warburg
 1936 - Otto Loewi
 1944 - Joseph Erlanger
 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
 1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
 1953 - Hans Krebs
 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
 1958 - Joshua Lederberg
 1959 - Arthur Kornberg
 1964 - Konrad Bloch
 1965 - Francois Jacob
 1965 - Andre Lwoff
 1967 - George Wald
 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
 1969 - Salvador Luria
 1970 - Julius Axelrod
 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
 1975 - Howard Martin Temin
 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
 1978 - Daniel Nathans
 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
 1984 - Cesar Milstein
 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
 1988 - Gertrude Elion
 198! 9 - H arold Varmus
 1991 - Erwin Neher
 1991 - Bert Sakmann
 1993 - Richard J. Roberts
 1993 - Phillip Sharp
 1994 - Alfred Gilman
 1995 - Edward B. Lewis
 
 TOTAL: ONE HUNDRED & TWENTY NINE !
 
 The Jews are not brain washing the children in military
 training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause
 maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
 
 The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics or blow
 themselves up in German restaurants. There is not a single Jew that has
 destroyed a church. There is not a single Jew that protests by killing
 people.
 
 The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and
 death to all the Infidels.
 
 Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard
 education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
 
 Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
 Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
 culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say
 it all:
 
 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
 violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no
 more Israel' -Benjamin Netanyahu.

So here is my response:

Thanks for the very interesting mail forward. It’s extremely nice to find out what the other half is thinking. Now, if you would be so kind as to give me a hearing, I would like to discuss your forward section by section:


You say:


“Some may say that the Israeli action at Gaza is wrong”


Some?


Here are the links to some (of many) websites detailing worldwide protests:


http://www.fsrn.org/audio/jan-05-2009/worldwide-protests-criticize-israels-invasion-gaza/3894
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/10/gaza-london-protest-march

Those protests don’t seem to be the work of only “some”, do they?
But perhaps you would think that since 99% of the world’s population did not take part in these organised protests, they were the work of only “some” people?


Then you go on to say:


but here it is ....


The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000 
 
 ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.


Even if we assume (since you did not provide the source for your claim) that the population figures you cited are accurate, I find it very interesting that you should


1.    Equate all Muslims, everywhere, be they the Senegalese fisherman or the Indonesian rubber tapper, the Chechen warlord or the Tamil shopkeeper.
2.    That you should (obviously) assume that despite all their other differences and the reality that they have nothing in common but the fact that they are Muslims (of very different religious and cultural levels, too) – that you should assume that they are a homogeneous mass. If you said something equivalent about Christians, one would immediately hear about how they are of many different and opposed denominations.



Then you go on to say:


“They have received the following Nobel Prizes: 
 
 
Literature: 
 
 1988 - Najib Mahfooz 
 
 Peace: 
 
 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 
 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 
 1990 - Elias James Corey 
 1999 - Ahmed Zewai 
 
 Economics: (zero) 
 
 Physics: (zero) 
 
 Medicine: 
 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 
 1998 - Ferid Mourad 
 
 TOTAL: 7 SEVEN”


I notice that you don’t mention Orhan Pamuk; but perhaps you stole this information off an old site or perhaps he is not Muslim enough for you. Anyway, you continue:


 __________________________________________________________
 
“ The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 FOURTEEN 
 MILLION 
 
 Or about 0.02% of the world's population. 
 
 They have received the following Nobel Prizes: 
 
 Literature: 
 
 1910 - Paul Heyse 
 ... 
 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World 
 
 Peace: 
 
 1911 - Alfred Fried 
 ... 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin 
 
 Physics: 
 
 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 
 ... 2000 - Alan J. Heeger 
 
 Economics: 
 
 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 
 ... 
 1993 - Robert Fogel 
 
 Medicine: 
 
 1908 ! - Eli e Metchnikoff 
 ... 
  1995 - Edward B. Lewis 
 
 TOTAL: ONE HUNDRED & TWENTY NINE ! “

Let’s see:

1.    The total population of India is 1.1 billion and a bit. How many Nobel prizes have Indians, even counting expatriate Indians like Subramaniam Chandrasekhar, who are citizens of other countries, won? Does that come home to you in any way? As per your theory, Indians should have the corresponding number of Nobel laureates. Right?

2.    The Nobel Prize has been in existence for just over a hundred years and has an extremely politicised and/or controversial history, including the scientific awards (the Peace Prize is nothing but politics, as I think you are just possibly aware – recall for instance that it was never awarded to Mohandas Gandhi). Albert Einstein, for example, was not given the Nobel Prize for his General or Special Theory of Relativity but for research into the Photoelectric effect – relatively minor work.

i.    As a corollary of this point, the Nobel Prize selectively recognises some particular achievements over the last hundred years only.

ii.    During the last hundred years (and the hundred years before that) the Islamic countries were almost all occupied by, or at least controlled by, Western imperialistic powers (as was India). The only real exception, the Ottoman Empire, was a fractious and unstable entity trying to keep itself in existence. General education for all was the last of its priorities. And after its collapse in 1918, its successor states were swallowed by Western imperialistic countries for a half century or more.

iii.    Virtually all the Jews in your list are of European extraction and come from nations that were of the exploitative/imperialistic persuasion. These nations had the time and money available for investment in great universities where the nation’s upper classes, Jewish or Christian, sent its children. If you could point out black Ethiopian Jews or Iranian Jews or Russian Jews from the villages who had done startlingly original work in nuclear physics or cardiac medicine, I might have conceded you have a point. Since you did not (and you cannot), it comes down only to who had better access to education at the right time (apart of course from the question of political bias).

iv.    During the so-called Middle Ages, when science and literature and knowledge were snuffed out in the Judeo-Christian world, who was it that kept the flame of knowledge burning? Have you heard of Ibn’ Sina(Avicenna in the Latinised version)? No? How about Abu al Qasim(Albucasis)? Not of him either? How about the scholars of Bukhara and Baghdad? I thought not.


Fine. So let’s go on to your next claim:


 “The Jews are not brain washing the children in military 
 training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause 
 maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims! “


I’m attaching a photo. It dates from July 2006 and is taken from thissite (I very strongly recommend you take a look at the other photos onthis site too). It 
shows Jewish (Zionist, also called “Israeli”) children writing messages on shells that were about to be fired on civilian areas in Lebanon.


Every citizen of the so-called state of “Israel” is trained and armed as a soldier and becomes a reservist after military service. I do not know of any comparable move, at large, among Muslim nations. Maybe you do.


The vast majority of Islamic terrorist groups are fighting against Muslim regimes. Very few fight against non-Muslims and even then the primary cause of fighting is to achieve rule over Muslim nations. The only exception is the fight against “Israel”, which has no compunctions about bombing schools, mosques, or hospitals.


“ The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics or blow 
 themselves up in German restaurants. There is not a single Jew that has 
 destroyed a church. There is not a single Jew that protests by killing 
 people.”


Have you heard of the Zealots? No? How about the massacres inJewish history as described in the Old Testament? If you would like to know a bit about that I recommend you go to this video here: it won’t take a lot of your time, and you can ignore what it says if you wish.


Then again, have you ever heard of the Irgun, Haganah, or Stern Gang? How about the blowing up of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem? Did your universe ever hold a mention of the massacre at Deir Yassin? Are you familiar with the term naqbah? Did you even pause a moment to wonder why Gaza should be so crammed full of people who migrated there from elsewhere?


To all those questions, the answer is, “of course not”.


Right, let us go further:


“The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and 
 death to all the Infidels. “


Again, check that video I linked to. Then come back and repeat that comment and prove what you said – with evidence.


“ Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard 
 education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.”

1.    When people have been deprived of food and work and even the right to shoes, I think  access to ‘standard education” is not so easy as you seem to think.

2.    I am yet to meet a Muslim who said that all Muslim problems were due to Jews. I never even met a Muslim who claimed that the so-called state of “Israel” was the fault of all Jews. At most Muslims say that the so-called state of “Israel” is an illegitimate occupier of historically Arab land and it is responsible for genocide-level crimes against the Palestinian population – Christian and Muslim both.


Perhaps you have some kind of evidence to the contrary, of course.


Then you go on to say:


 “Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the 
 Palestinians and Arab neighbors, “


From the (mis)spelling of “neighbours” you use, it’s evident that you took this bit, at least, off an American or Zionist website. 

“...even if you believe there is more 
 culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say 
 it all: 
 
 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more 
 violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no 
 more Israel' -Benjamin Netanyahu."



Do you even know who Binyamin Netanyahu is? Have you heard of...say, Hitler? Well, Netanyahu is the Hitler of the Zionists, someone who claims only genocide-level crimes will achieve security.


In any case, what is your argument? Do you claim that because Muslims have not won as many Nobel Prizes as Jews, the Zionist pseudo-state of “Israel”, which incidentally many Jews oppose, has the right to bomb, invade, and kill Muslims at will? Is that your contention?


I kind of doubt if you read this far before deleting this mail. I must warn you that I have put up a version of it on my blog as well, as well as forwarding a copy to a moderator of the HAL alumni group. I am surprised they allowed such a rabidly bigoted piece on the group at all. If they do not take some sort of action against you now, it will only be evidence that they are not as even-handed as they seem.


I look forward to reading your rebuttal – if any. 

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